Nebula Class Star Destroyer Model
Model: REC/NCM02 Nebula II - Class Star Destroyer. Lateral Thrust Vents: Unique to the Nebula-class warships, the Star Destroyer comes equipped with a series of lateral thrust vents that allow the warship to be more agile than it’s common Imperial brethren. Through these exterior vents, the Nebula II was capable of maneuvering much faster.
Click to expand.It drops 600 meters of length. If it was close to the same size, I could see, 'Hey, let's drop the troop angle and make a superior space-combat vessel.' That's kinda what the later Scythe classes are.
But upping every capability save for troops.and. dropping so much size stretches my disbelief. If it was punched above Victory-class but still a bit below Imperials, that'd be reasonable (and what the Republic class- which is slightly bigger!- does), but it outmatches even an Impstar 2.It's not that it has no troops either. It carries 1,600 and has a dozen transports for them. Sure, but it also manages to have more.fighters. I could see a pure gunship being better, but.It drops 600 meters of length.
If it was close to the same size, I could see, 'Hey, let's drop the troop angle and make a superior space-combat vessel.' That's kinda what the later Scythe classes are. But upping every capability save for troops.and. dropping so much size stretches my disbelief. If it was punched above Victory-class but still a bit below Imperials, that'd be reasonable (and what the Republic class- which is slightly bigger!- does), but it outmatches even an Impstar 2.It's not that it has no troops either. It carries 1,600 and has a dozen transports for them. Click to expand.There are a lot of ways for a ship to be more or less 'fat.'
The Nebula might have improved traffic flow for fighter maintenance and deployment over the ImpStar owing to a decade and a half more time to improve on procedures and best practices for that sort of thing. The Nebula may use more space efficient but higher maintenance equipment that requires more frequent trips to the yard for overhauls and isn't as easily serviced in the field. She may carry significantly less provisions for long cruises.
The ImpStar may be a self contained, all purposes, mobile oppression platform with more generous working spaces for larger crews - Imperial doctrine tends to suppress individual initiative by all accounts so this probably translates to starship crews as well. The Empire may utilize larger crews than the Republic because the area of responsibility of each crewbeing is much, much narrower and the equipment and workspaces designed to be easier to work on and utilized by larger work teams.Its worth considering that preceding the Clone Wars were a period of a thousand years of relative peace with apparently no conflicts between major galactic powers so all the knowledge base about designing and effectively using major warships above and beyond the local patrol ship level was all contained in history books. The galaxy didn't start acquiring hands on experience with Star Destroyer tier and above warfare until the first guns were fired in anger during the Clone Wars. Then when the dust settled, the Empire was left was the sole power capable of operating more than a handful of destroyer tier ships. Its also worth pointing out that the Confederacy Munificent was able to fight Venators one on one when their relative volumes should suggest they'd need eight to one or better.
I can get major improvement when things are new and learning the kinks, things rapidly improving post-CW design I'm fine with, but '2/3rds the size and better at guns, shields, and fighters, all at the same time, not just pound for pound but in absolute terms, just 15 years later,' is just too much for me. Aaaand I just realized another part of the objection- it's also the only ship to advance that much. There's no next gen of Imperial ships beyond the ISD-II, and even the other new Mon Cals and New Class Republic ships are, while incrementally better, not possessing such a huge leap. I can get major improvement when things are new and learning the kinks, things rapidly improving post-CW design I'm fine with, but '2/3rds the size and better at guns, shields, and fighters, all at the same time, not just pound for pound but in absolute terms, just 15 years later,' is just too much for me.
Aaaand I just realized another part of the objection- it's also the only ship to advance that much. There's no next gen of Imperial ships beyond the ISD-II, and even the other new Mon Cals and New Class Republic ships are, while incrementally better, not possessing such a huge leap. Click to expand.There is precedent, the Munificent can fight a Venator with eight times or more of its volume on equal terms in the cartoons.
Executor outmassed the entire Rebel fleet but according to one interpretation of the Battle of Endor, they managed to kick down at least one segment of her shields. We're just not privy to what compromises ships that punch way over their weight class are making nor the sacrifices in direct combat capability ships that seem to underperform are making.As for the ImpStar, by the time the Remnant was officially suing for peace the Chimera was described with a heavy torpedo loadout that no prior ISD had been described with so there is an implied mkIII refit that just was never made official. As for the Warlords, its entirely possible that there weren't enough stable factions who held major industrial sites long enough to make meaningful successor designs to the ISD2. Also worth considering that there are lots of other classes of Star Destroyer.
There is precedent, the Munificent can fight a Venator with eight times or more of its volume on equal terms in the cartoons. Executor outmassed the entire Rebel fleet but according to one interpretation of the Battle of Endor, they managed to kick down at least one segment of her shields. We're just not privy to what compromises ships that punch way over their weight class are making nor the sacrifices in direct combat capability ships that seem to underperform are making.As for the ImpStar, by the time the Remnant was officially suing for peace the Chimera was described with a heavy torpedo loadout that no prior ISD had been described with so there is an implied mkIII refit that just was never made official. Sure, but it also manages to have more.fighters. I could see a pure gunship being better, but.It drops 600 meters of length. If it was close to the same size, I could see, 'Hey, let's drop the troop angle and make a superior space-combat vessel.' That's kinda what the later Scythe classes are.
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But upping every capability save for troops.and. dropping so much size stretches my disbelief. If it was punched above Victory-class but still a bit below Imperials, that'd be reasonable (and what the Republic class- which is slightly bigger!- does), but it outmatches even an Impstar 2.It's not that it has no troops either.
It carries 1,600 and has a dozen transports for them. Click to expand.Kind of doubtful given the Imp is supposed to still be able to let a Nebula know it was in a fight while the Resurgent has 2 or more times the heavy turbolaser batteries visible on the model in comparison to the ISD (not sure if they are also physically larger, have not seen scaling attempts) implying at least that much more firepower not to mention multiple times the volume.
Although the caveats about size matters not do come into play once again (ref: Munificents fighting Venators in Clone Wars.) Maybe even more so with Resurgents because at the very least the novel Phasma treats at least two of them as having a major role housing and training Stormtrooper cadets. Its unclear if other Resurgents are also training platforms. I'm reminded of the Peacekeeper Command Carriers of Farscape which also served as mobile colonies / multi-mission oppression platforms.
What is with these lazy replies?Well it seems the Nebula is outclassed, outgunned, and in terms of fighters, outnumbered too.The Resurgent class has a great many more turbolasers and other weapons, such as its missile launchers, and carries over twice the number of starfighters.That being said, my guess is the Nebula would be carrying E-Wings, A-Wings and upgraded X-Wings, which I would say are more than enough to counter the First Order's fighters, despite being outnumbered. What is with these lazy replies?Well it seems the Nebula is outclassed, outgunned, and in terms of fighters, outnumbered too.The Resurgent class has a great many more turbolasers and other weapons, such as its missile launchers, and carries over twice the number of starfighters.That being said, my guess is the Nebula would be carrying E-Wings, A-Wings and upgraded X-Wings, which I would say are more than enough to counter the First Order's fighters, despite being outnumbered. Click to expand.Then in a contest of 3 engagements, the Resurgent class will likely take it 2 times out of 3. 2 things save the Nebula from being curbstomped, but not from outright defeat.1.) It's Ion weapons and Ion torpedo technology. Disrupting the Resurgents main batteries but not stopping the ship entirely.2.) Strarfighter wing. A Nebula carries enhanced X-Wings, A-Wing interceptors, and the dreaded V-Wings. These are monumentally superior to TIEs.
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And if the V-wings get a direct run on a Resurgent class with proton and Ion torpedos. It's going to have a really bad day.Honestly, it's the fighters more than anything that can pull out a win for the Nebula. But it's no guarantee.