Can Gohan Go Super Saiyan 4
Oozaru Baby couldn't evolve into Super Saiyan 4, because according to Bluma, he wasn't a pure Saiyan. Gohan isn't a pure Saiyan too, so he shouldn't too, right?But when you think about it, maybe Gohan can go Super Saiyan 4. Earthlings & Saiyans are compatible, since they can make children and make even stronger warriors.Baby is a Machine Mutant/Tsufurian though. He most likely can't do children, at least by the way we know and humans can. So Baby took over Vegeta's body, changed it, and made him a Saiyan Machine Mutant Tsufurian mix. Too unnatural.
When Baby took over Vegeta's body, and transformed it into Vegeta-Baby (which could be a mutated Super Saiyan 2?), and later into Super Baby & Super Baby 2, he didn't seem to be able to go Super Saiyan or Super Saiyan 2. Eventually, he managed to become a mutated Golden Oozaru though, which is Oozaru Baby. And that's it. He couldn't go any further He couldn't become Super Saiyan 4.Now Gohan. Unlike Baby, who had his own exclusive transformations in Vegeta's Body, and at least one mutated Saiyan transformation, Gohan's Oozaru, Super Saiyan & Super Saiyan 2 transformations where normal. Exactly like the pure Saiyans.
All of which could be done by Gohan, he had a tail and he did transform into the great ape on several occasions in Z and he has the Super Saiyan transformations under his belt so he meets all the requirements to be able to do it, if he could regrow his tail and simply master transforming into and controlling the golden great ape then he would definitely be able to achieve Super Saiyan 4, i highly doubt this is a 'pure bloods' only form. Broly's Super Saiyan 4 transformation is fairly similar to Goku's, Gohan's and Vegeta's Super Saiyan 4 transformation. All of which possess having very long black or dark colored hair, a reddish colored fur, and a red outline for around the eyes.
He undoubtedly could go Super Saiyan 3 with proper training, and he should also be able to transform into a Golden Oozaru.Goten & Trunks shouldn't be able to go Super Saiyan 4, since they were confirmed by both Daizenshuu & Toriyama that they were born without tails.But can Gohan become Super Saiyan 4? James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote: When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts.
But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities.
Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the worldunless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Mayuri Kurotsuchi wrote:'In this world, nothing perfect exists. It may be a cliche after all but it's the way things are.
That's precisely why ordinary men pursue the concept of perfection, it's infatuation. But ultimately I have to ask myself 'What is the true meaning of being perfect?' And the answer I came up with was nothing. Not one thing. The truth of the matter is I despise perfection! If something is truly perfect, that's IT!
The bottom line becomes there is no room for imagination! No space for intelligence or ability or improvement!
Do you understand? To men of science like us, perfection is a dead end, a condition of hopelessness.
Always strive to be better than anything that came before you but not perfect! Scientist's agonize over the attempt to achieve perfection! That's the kind of creatures we are! We take joy in trying to exceed our grasp, in trying to reach for something that in the end, we have to admit may in fact be unreachable!' Saiga wrote:Why was Vegeta a brainless ape, anyway?
He can control the form. I guess I could accept that control over the Oozaru doesn't mean control over the Golden Oozaru, but later he turns into a normal Oozaru and is still out of control!What I meant was that Vegeta had zero control over what he was doing.
I dont know if it was dub line but I remember Baby saying something to Goku like ' Vegeta is the one who transformed, not me' which also explained supposed to explain why Baby was doing the whole ventriloquist thing. So in a sense its like somebody controlling your body while your asleep.
Saiga wrote:Why was Vegeta a brainless ape, anyway? He can control the form. I guess I could accept that control over the Oozaru doesn't mean control over the Golden Oozaru, but later he turns into a normal Oozaru and is still out of control!What I meant was that Vegeta had zero control over what he was doing. I dont know if it was dub line but I remember Baby saying something to Goku like ' Vegeta is the one who transformed, not me' which also explained supposed to explain why Baby was doing the whole ventriloquist thing. So in a sense its like somebody controlling your body while your asleep.I didn't mean your comment, I meant in the series. Your comment just reminded me of that.
Saiga wrote:Why was Vegeta a brainless ape, anyway? He can control the form.
I guess I could accept that control over the Oozaru doesn't mean control over the Golden Oozaru, but later he turns into a normal Oozaru and is still out of control!To be perfectly honest, it's GT. It doesn't make sense at the best of times, heck, Elder Kai said for Gohan to unlock his hidden power to 'Just do that SSJ thing you do and throw a Kiai in' that to me says that attempting to transform into a SSJ instead unlocks his hidden power rather than turning him into a SSJ. Which means his SSJ form has technically been lost for a much better and more efficient ability, it also explains why during the fight with Buu he didn't just go SSJ because if he could have he would have one against Buu no problem.But what do we see in GT? Him pull of the SSJ transformation which would technically put him at stronger than SSJ Kid Goku if you think about it because in all the time Goku has been training he is suppose to be around the same strength of SSJ3 in his base but Gohan was already passed that with Elder Kai's magic so if Gohan could go SSJ then he would be stronger than SSJ Kid Goku which should have easily been able to take down Bebi inside Goten. So like I said, you can trust GT as far as you can throw it. I don't really get why GT questions are asked to be honest, considering how many inconsistencies there are with the story you can't rationalise things like could Gohan go SSJ4.
If you really want an answer then you can just say: 'It's GT, you can do whatever you want because they just throw anything they want into it and get away with it anyway.' James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote: When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter.
The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the worldunless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong. James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote: When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts.
But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities.
Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the worldunless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Vegeta Super Saiyan 4
Oozaru Baby couldn't evolve into Super Saiyan 4, because according to Bluma, he wasn't a pure Saiyan. Gohan isn't a pure Saiyan too, so he shouldn't too, right?But when you think about it, maybe Gohan can go Super Saiyan 4. Earthlings & Saiyans are compatible, since they can make children and make even stronger warriors.Baby is a Machine Mutant/Tsufurian though. He most likely can't do children, at least by the way we know and humans can.
So Baby took over Vegeta's body, changed it, and made him a Saiyan Machine Mutant Tsufurian mix. Too unnatural. When Baby took over Vegeta's body, and transformed it into Vegeta-Baby (which could be a mutated Super Saiyan 2?), and later into Super Baby & Super Baby 2, he didn't seem to be able to go Super Saiyan or Super Saiyan 2. Eventually, he managed to become a mutated Golden Oozaru though, which is Oozaru Baby. And that's it.
Can Gohan Go Super Saiyan 4 Bardock
He couldn't go any further He couldn't become Super Saiyan 4.Now Gohan. Unlike Baby, who had his own exclusive transformations in Vegeta's Body, and at least one mutated Saiyan transformation, Gohan's Oozaru, Super Saiyan & Super Saiyan 2 transformations where normal. Exactly like the pure Saiyans. He undoubtedly could go Super Saiyan 3 with proper training, and he should also be able to transform into a Golden Oozaru.Goten & Trunks shouldn't be able to go Super Saiyan 4, since they were confirmed by both Daizenshuu & Toriyama that they were born without tails.But can Gohan become Super Saiyan 4? James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote: When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter.
The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the worldunless it has to do with some kind of fight.
Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong. Mayuri Kurotsuchi wrote:'In this world, nothing perfect exists. It may be a cliche after all but it's the way things are. That's precisely why ordinary men pursue the concept of perfection, it's infatuation. But ultimately I have to ask myself 'What is the true meaning of being perfect?' And the answer I came up with was nothing.
Not one thing. The truth of the matter is I despise perfection! If something is truly perfect, that's IT! The bottom line becomes there is no room for imagination! No space for intelligence or ability or improvement!
Do you understand? To men of science like us, perfection is a dead end, a condition of hopelessness. Always strive to be better than anything that came before you but not perfect! Scientist's agonize over the attempt to achieve perfection! That's the kind of creatures we are! We take joy in trying to exceed our grasp, in trying to reach for something that in the end, we have to admit may in fact be unreachable!'
Saiga wrote:Why was Vegeta a brainless ape, anyway? He can control the form. I guess I could accept that control over the Oozaru doesn't mean control over the Golden Oozaru, but later he turns into a normal Oozaru and is still out of control!What I meant was that Vegeta had zero control over what he was doing. I dont know if it was dub line but I remember Baby saying something to Goku like ' Vegeta is the one who transformed, not me' which also explained supposed to explain why Baby was doing the whole ventriloquist thing. So in a sense its like somebody controlling your body while your asleep. Saiga wrote:Why was Vegeta a brainless ape, anyway?
He can control the form. I guess I could accept that control over the Oozaru doesn't mean control over the Golden Oozaru, but later he turns into a normal Oozaru and is still out of control!What I meant was that Vegeta had zero control over what he was doing. I dont know if it was dub line but I remember Baby saying something to Goku like ' Vegeta is the one who transformed, not me' which also explained supposed to explain why Baby was doing the whole ventriloquist thing. So in a sense its like somebody controlling your body while your asleep.I didn't mean your comment, I meant in the series. Your comment just reminded me of that.
Saiga wrote:Why was Vegeta a brainless ape, anyway? He can control the form. I guess I could accept that control over the Oozaru doesn't mean control over the Golden Oozaru, but later he turns into a normal Oozaru and is still out of control!To be perfectly honest, it's GT. It doesn't make sense at the best of times, heck, Elder Kai said for Gohan to unlock his hidden power to 'Just do that SSJ thing you do and throw a Kiai in' that to me says that attempting to transform into a SSJ instead unlocks his hidden power rather than turning him into a SSJ. Which means his SSJ form has technically been lost for a much better and more efficient ability, it also explains why during the fight with Buu he didn't just go SSJ because if he could have he would have one against Buu no problem.But what do we see in GT? Him pull of the SSJ transformation which would technically put him at stronger than SSJ Kid Goku if you think about it because in all the time Goku has been training he is suppose to be around the same strength of SSJ3 in his base but Gohan was already passed that with Elder Kai's magic so if Gohan could go SSJ then he would be stronger than SSJ Kid Goku which should have easily been able to take down Bebi inside Goten. So like I said, you can trust GT as far as you can throw it.
I don't really get why GT questions are asked to be honest, considering how many inconsistencies there are with the story you can't rationalise things like could Gohan go SSJ4. If you really want an answer then you can just say: 'It's GT, you can do whatever you want because they just throw anything they want into it and get away with it anyway.' James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote: When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts.
But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities.
Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the worldunless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong. James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote: When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman.
Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world.
Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the worldunless it has to do with some kind of fight.
Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.